User talk:TheOptopolis

Kmart 7424

Spreadsheet says it closed in 1995 while the page says 1994, is it true that it closed in 1995?

• Hey there! Side note just to make sure we are on the same page with this topic, the text in the Kmart 7424 article says the Kmart store closed in the early 90s, not 1994; 1994 was the year Sutherlands opened at the former Kmart. Kmart 7424 physically could not have even been present the entire year of 1995 as Sutherlands was present in and before the year 1995, therefore Kmart 7424 must have closed prior to 1995. 1) If you read the KGAB article on Sutherland's closing, it mentions that Sutherlands opened in 1994. 2) The 1994 Cheyenne City Directory (Polk) notes Sutherlands as present in 1994, which means this Kmart store must have closed no later than 1994. 3) The 1993 Cheyenne City Directory (Polk) lists the space as vacant, and the 1992 Cheyenne City Directory (Polk) lists the space as "Not Verified." I've done further research that indicates the Dell Range Kmart (store 3891) replaced both the Yellowstone Road Kmart (7424) and the Pershing Blvd Kmart (4413); this is according to information in archived newspapers from the time (referenced where appropriate in those articles). The 1991 Cheyenne City Directory (Polk) does list Kmart as present; it's likely the directory was published before the Dell Range store (3891) opened. I'm doing further research to see if I can verify in which year the store indeed closed, and possibly, whether there is any overlap between the old Yellowstone store (7424) and the new Dell Range store (3891). One could likely infer which year (and perhaps, which month) the Yellowstone road Kmart (7424) closed based on the history of the Dell Range Kmart (3891), but I'd rather have more fact, less inference. Side note, I have edited the text in Kmart 7424 as to hopefully avoid future confusion and make it clear Sutherlands opened in 1994 and not that the Kmart closed in 1994 as Kmart closed in the early 90s and no later than 1994.--TheOptopolis (talk) 20:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
• Edit: I did see that the infobox somehow got the 1994 date into it, that was a typo which I've fixed. It now states "Early 90s." Will update this if and when I know more details.--TheOptopolis (talk) 06:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bQbJ704l5I8hkf4hUNa7IyYzGW5I3CIBYmqigrRLD7g/edit#gid=332535324 It still states 1995 there.

• Yeah, and unfortunately, the spreadsheet is wrong on the date Kmart 7424 closed. That spreadsheet was assembled based on data collected from various members of the public across the country (and even the world). If I recall correctly (which this was years ago at this point), the reason 1995 was noted because number one, back then, that was the closest thing to a known date of closure in the broader public, and two, it was understood this Kmart has a rather similar history to another Kmart in Casper, Wyoming that also became a Sutherlands (which it does; built at a similar time with similar building type and facade, closed around the 90s, etc., etc., I could go on, but I think one can get what I'm saying. I am continuing to research this topic, and hopefully (fingers crossed), one of my leads on archived sources can yield an answer that can provide a more certain answer to when Kmart 7424 closed (besides between 1991 and 1994). I do recommend at least giving a read of the article on Sutherland's Cheyenne closing, because it is one of at least two sources that confirm Kmart was gone prior to 1995.--TheOptopolis (talk) 00:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• • Hey, as the creator of the spreadsheet, I'm glad this has been brought to my attention. Would you happen to have access to wyomingnewspapers.org? It seems like that would have the Cheyenne newspapers, which would probably help to narrow down if not confirm the closing date, but it seems like you need a card from a Wyoming library to see any of the results. -Reschultzed (talk) 17:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• • • Hey Reschultzed! To the best of my understanding, many those newspapers found on wyomingnewspapers.org (any with a lock icon on them) cannot be viewed online and have to be viewed through microfilm. I've been actively researching newspapers by hand to better my understanding of the history behind of Kmart among other businesses in the Cheyenne area. I've also been searching through photos taken by media outlets from those corresponding years.--TheOptopolis (talk) 02:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• • • • Oh, I see. Well, hopefully the search functionality is at least useful in helping you figure out what parts of the microfilm to look at, since it seems to know the dates and even page numbers for keywords. -Reschultzed (talk) 04:39, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• • P.S. here's what I can find as of right now. According to an ad in the Scottsbluff Star-Herald, which was recently digitized, Sutherlands held its grand opening in the former Kmart in July 1994: [1] There was a Pay 'n Pak bankruptcy auction at the same address in September 1992 (would this be the smaller space to the north that is now SMART Sports Medicine?): [2] Also, while I can't see the contents of the Wyoming Eagle and Wyoming State Tribune, I can see the dates that certain phrases appear in there. Searching for "5221 Yellowstone" tells me that, aside from a few scattered results in the mid-70s, that address started regularly showing up in the papers in June 1981 and then suddenly stopped in September 1992. Then no results at all during 1993 (might just be that they haven't digitized anything from 1993, though) and you start getting results again in April 1994 (presumably Sutherlands preparing to open). So, based on that, I would think the Kmart most likely closed in 1992, and I've updated the spreadsheet to reflect that. -Reschultzed (talk) 17:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• • • Nice to see another source mentioning Sutherland's opening, that actually helps me in my research! I did dig through more of Cheyenne's newspapers and photos today to see if I can further verify the date that Sutherlands opened, but I was unsuccessful in that respect in this visit. With that Scottsbluff Star-Herald clipping, I guess I don't need to research Sutherland's opening any further for now. As for the Pay N' Pak... Upon discussions with the archivists at the state archives, there was talk of some other business being at the 5221 Yellowstone Rd Kmart before Sutherlands and after Kmart, but I never found out what it was if true; with your finding in that respect, it's quite possible the Pay N Pak was in the former Kmart though more research is likely needed to confirm this, maybe even photos...I'll have to see if I find anything next week. Whichever location in the plaza Pay N Pak occupied, it must have been brief, as 1993 and 1994 city directories do not list Pay N Pak on Yellowstone Road. I found that the space that is now SMART Sports was occupied by a Payless Shoe Source back in 1982 (I don't know the opening and closing dates yet); both the Kmart and SMART Sports spaces were listed as vacant as of 1993. (Side note indirectly related to this conversation, there was also a Pay N' Pak next to the E Pershing Blvd Kmart (see Photo 2 before remodel). Also on another side note, I found that the E Pershing Kmart opened Thursday, April 1, 1971, and I will be updating the Bluepages article on that topic momentarily. It may be good to check your spreadsheet on the Dell Range Blvd Kmart also, as I've updated that page with more accurate information too on when it opened/closed.)--TheOptopolis (talk) 02:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• • • • Ah, good work on that. If you haven't already, you might want to look into the possibility that #3891, like many if not most '90s Kmarts, had a soft opening a few days ahead of the grand opening ceremonies. If they did, it won't necessarily be mentioned in the newspapers, but it often is. I point this out only because Kmart's internal database from 2002 has it listed as opening on 7/29/91, and three days would be a very typical gap between soft and grand openings for them. This would likely affect the closing of #4413 (and maybe #7424) as well. -Reschultzed (talk) 04:39, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• • • • I guess that one is up for debate then! I do speak even from my own experience that it's common for many stores to have a soft opening. JAX is infamous for doing this. There's even a local coffee shop in my area (Snowy Elk Coffee) that didn't have a grand opening for something like two to three years after opening their storefront. Two chain restaurants around me recently had a soft opening the day before opening to the public where the workers' families and friends were invited to the respective restaurants. Because soft openings are rather common from what I've noticed, grand opening announcements always make me skeptical to jump and say "oh grand opening, that must be the first day!"
      • On the Grand Opening page dated July 31 1991 and posted to both The Wyoming Eagle and Wyoming State Tribune (same published date on both), Staff Writer Kevin Lumsden wrote, "A wider variety of name-brand products and more showroom space are the main features of the new Kmart store on Dell Range Boulevard. // The new store opens Aug. 1 with an increased attitude in customer service and more American made items, said Frank Perkovich, store manager." The writer didn't put quotation marks around what Frank Perkovich apparently said, so I don't know if there was paraphrasing happening there, but everything from "The new store opens..." to the end of what I've quoted here was on a separate line in the article. Further down, in the clipping, the caption for a photo states, "CUSTOMERS WILL get an opportunity to shop at the new Kmart store on Dell Range Boulevard on Aug. 1. The new...store is opening in place of the two previous Kmart stores - one on East Pershing Boulevard and the other on Yellowstone Road." A caption on another photo reaffirms that "the new store...will open Aug. 1." At that point, there is clearly some kind of miscommunication or typo or something somewhere, isn't there? Or possibly, some kind of detail that has been omitted... Oh the possibilities!--TheOptopolis (talk) 07:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Replying to Reschultzed and TheOptopolis

I'm thinking add this to notes: The store was replaced by 3891?. It had been vacant as of 1993, and the space was listed as "not verified" in 1992. Later Sutherlands 4307, which opened in 1994, now Wyoming Workforce Center.

• I have clarified directly in Kmart 7424's article that Sutherlands 4307 opened in 1994 in the former Kmart, and that today, it is occupied by Wyoming Department of Workforce Services. In a newspaper from 1991 that I read, the Dell Range Kmart (3891) indeed was intended to replace both the Yellowstone Rd Kmart (7424) and the Pershing Kmart (4413). I am (right now) updating Kmart 7424's infobox to reflect this info. Regarding the info about vacant/not verified, this is what I observed from the POLK city directories for Cheyenne from 1993 and 1992 respectively... Maybe could have a note about that small detail... Reschultzed, what do you think?

Sutherlands

On the Sutherlands pages, you left out a ton of information and added it incorrectly on the infoboxes too. To see an example of how it should be done, take a look at Sutherlands 3123 Tag2292 16:57, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

As an user, Tag2292 stated you've been adding incorrect information to the Sutherlands infoboxes. Look at Sutherlands 3123 as stated as an example to know how it should be done. --120.28.227.65 00:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• As I have created more pages, I've slowly found how to properly use the infoboxes--I since have realized what each of those sections mean. With my more recent edits, I've been avoiding placing info in the wrong boxes and correcting my mistakes as I am able to do so. I'll admit, until quite recently, I haven't done much editing on Bluepages. Probably still got more learning to go, but dually noted. Cheers.--TheOptopolis (talk) 03:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• As I shared on Reschultzed's talk page, all the JAX and Sutherlands pages where the infobox had improper usage should now be corrected. Any other pages with the improper usage of the sections for replaced/previous tenant/etc. will just have to be corrected over time; all remaining pages with this issue should be within my area of NoCo, SoWy, and SE Nebraska, and it is a relatively small amount of articles where I've done this mistake. I've already updated some of the other non-JAX/Sutherlands articles where this mistake existed, and as I come across any others in my area with this mistake, I will continue to fix them.--TheOptopolis (talk) 04:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Replaced and Replaced by

Do not use "replaced" and "replaced by" for previous and next tenants, an user said this is how they are used: "replaced" and "replaced_by" are intended for locations that have moved. If a store moved to another location and something else opened in its former place, you would put the store's new location under "replaced_by" and the thing that opened in the old location as "next". I recognize that this might be confusing, but I couldn't really think of a better way to do it. - an user https://www.bluepageswiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Reschultzed#TheOptopolis_using_replaced_fields Only use "replaced" and "replaced by" for stores that moved to another location. Let me say it, if Target T-1234 was replaced by Target T-2345, and Kmart 3333 was replaced by Kmart 9009 (just examples), Target T-1234 should be in "Replaced" for Target T-2345's page and that location should be in the "replaced by" page of the old location. Same logic applies to Kmart 3333 example location (All of these are real store numbers, just examples) and the next tenants and previous tenants should clearly go onto the "previous" for previous tenants and "next" for next tenants.

• As mentioned in the above section, dually noted. Cheers.--TheOptopolis (talk) 03:07, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

JAX 16

Someone said there is a "JAX's Cheeese Shop" store located in the state of NY, is this true and does it exist?

I replied elsewhere, but I'll reply here too just for reference and documentation sake. If it exists, it has no connection to JAX Mercantile. I believe one of their outlet store thingys in Lafayette Plaza, Lafayette, Colorado had a cheese shop as well, and that certainly has no connection to whatever this "JAX's Cheeese Shop" in New York is. I did not add "JAX 16" to my user page either, this other user 120.28.230.107 is the one that added the link to my user page. Hopefully my new "all caps" bit will discourage that in the future since I didn't have it there before JAX 16 was added to my user page. --TheOptopolis (talk) 08:06, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

KMART 7424 location is wrong!!!

It's in Cheyenne NY not WY!

You are wrong. Either you are vandalizing the pages OR you are uneducated. There are two Cheyenne cities in the United States, one in Wyoming and one in Oklahoma. There is no Cheyenne city in New York. Please quit messing around with pages you don't know anything about. Thank you. --TheOptopolis (talk) 05:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

This user who posted the above text has been blocked courtesy Reschultzed. 120.28.229.12‎ (the name of the user provided by Bluepages) made changes to many Cheyenne pages including O'Reilly Auto Parts 2726, Dollar Tree 2697, McDonald's 226, Wendy's 3504, Taco Bell 23074, and Safeway 2469. This user started making changes to stores not in Cheyenne including Target T-1377, and Target T-14. This user edited the Ohio and New York pages in addition to the Cheyenne, Wyoming page. I have reverted changes on all these pages to just before this user's changes. I don't believe there are other pages at this point which I've missed (I hope not because I'm tired of reverting pages due to this person falsifying information presented).

It should be known that there are only two cities of Cheyenne in the US (as mentioned above). Wyoming. Oklahoma. None others in the United States, and to my knowledge, there are no other cities of Cheyenne in the entire world.

The first noted instance I found where this user falsified information presented on a page was Family Dollar 5901, located in Cheyenne, Wyoming, not Cheyenne Ohio. That was on 11 February 2024. Then the user didn't screw around for a while... then over the last 24 hours or so, the user did it again, changing locations on individual Cheyenne store pages to Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York (in addition to setting the two Texas Targets to Wyoming).--TheOptopolis (talk) 22:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Was "Kmart 9522" a example of a good or bad page?

The fake one on South Greeley Highway. How about Family Dollar 5901 being in Cheyenne, Ohio edit? Good or bad edit?

--TheOptopolis (talk) 20:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC) Kmart 9522 never existed anyway in addition to there not ever being a Kmart on South Greeley Highway in Cheyenne, Wyoming, therefore the page was deleted. I personally would consider it "bad" in that it defeats the purpose of Bluepages.

Family Dollar 5901 was located in Cheyenne, Wyoming. There's no city in Ohio called Cheyenne; there are two cities of Cheyenne in the United States, one in Wyoming and one in Oklahoma. A user changed the state where Family Dollar 5901 was located from Wyoming to Ohio, thereby falsifying information and creating another edit that I would also consider "bad" since it, again, defeats the point of Bluepages. The same IP was shown to have changed the location of numerous other business to other states including Texas to Wyoming, Wyoming to Ohio, etc., and that IP is currently banned from making further edits, courtesy of Reshultzed.

All pages of which I knew had been falsified have been adjusted to have the information they had prior to the fiascos described above, and the Kmart 9522 page has been removed.--TheOptopolis (talk) 20:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

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There's actually a Garland, WY https://www.google.com/maps/place/Garland,+WY+82435,+USA/@44.7789773,-108.6607987,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x53495063296c5df1:0x94e91f9fde6c7bc3!8m2!3d44.7796741!4d-108.6604043!16zL20vMDExZzdr?entry=ttu (There's no Target there unlike the same IP edited) There's no Clear Shore Lakes in Ohio (only in Texas)

Yep there is! The user didn't seem to be making up cities/states in every instance, it was more that they were just changing the state and/or city to something that is obviously false in that [insert name] wasn't located at [insert wrong address/city/state]. I believe Wyoming is up to three Targets now, last I checked (Casper, Cheyenne, and Jackson). Jackson WY's is a former Kmart. Cheyenne's is original/built for Target (I even found photos from about the time it was built), and I believe Casper's is also built original as a Target.--TheOptopolis (talk) 00:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Photos

How did you find August 1991 photos of Kmart 7424 and 4413?

Honestly, I just went and did the research. In this case, I had to dig through negatives to find them; fortunately, they were dated. The fact that the photographer snapped photos of all three Kmarts at the same time, I suspect either A) they wanted to do an article, or B) they did an article that I simply haven't found yet. Not plugging here, just simply mentioning this--I should have a video dropping very soon where one can see many of the sources that I saw, including the August photos of the old two Kmarts where the signage had already been taken down.--TheOptopolis (talk) 00:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

First Target in Wyoming

Target did not open in 1969 in Wyoming, unlike the IP edits stated; they did open in Colorado back in 1966, but they did not open a Wyoming location until 1982, then again in 1985, then again just last year. Also, the Kmart spreadsheet does not list the square footage of 7424 but still lists the closing date as 1992, despite August 1991 photos already being found showing this location and 4413 closed.

So Imma mention Kmart first. Reschultzed probably hasn't updated the spreadsheet. I just mentioned this information to Reschultzed.

I clearly must have missed something regarding Target, as I honestly have no idea where said-user stated such thing (but then I haven't been touching the Target scene of Bluepages too much yet). As far as I understand, Casper was the first, followed by Cheyenne then Jackson. Casper's Eastridge Mall (which includes the Target) was built at the turn of the 80s. I can't personally confirm right this minute if Casper's Target opened in 1982, but certainly sounds believable to me given the circumstances of that mall. Hmm I'm now intrigued to see if I can find physical evidence of opening date... No promises, but I may have to make that a future research project for me to look into at some point.--TheOptopolis (talk) 19:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

When adding a new chain to the tables...

When adding a new chain to the tables, make sure you actually add the locations to that chain instead of leaving it blank please

Tag2292, do you mean having the tables like Bluepages:Tables/Old Chicago display the locations which I've added? I'm assuming so? Right now, it looks like Old Chicago is showing the location that I added... Oh, wait, Bluepages:Tables/Jersey Mike's Subs wasn't showing the locations I've added, same with Bluepages:Tables/Batteries Plus-both are fixed. If a location (or several) aren't appearing, it's likely because the page cache needs refreshed, and one can do that by clicking the "more" drop down by the search bar, then Refresh. I usually try to do that to any table when I add a new location belonging to the table, but I obviously forgot in these two instances so my apologies. On a side note and as Reschultzed shared on his talk page, if a table has more than 500 items, the feature will only go so far/may not show all the locations. I think I answered your comment, but if not, let me know/please do clarify further.--TheOptopolis (talk) 22:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Walmart spreadsheet

I assume you know about the Walmart spreadsheet that Reschultzed created already?: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MY89q9pnrS-rB8t6Df4TuWZhdtRMkdTnYVbjZnDMpjQ/edit

Because I’m sure he’ll need your help for the areas you’re more knowledgeable about than me. I mainly focus on stuff in Texas so it’s hard for me to look into stuff from other states sometimes

Tag2292, I believe I indirectly knew about it? I'll be honest, I haven't studied into Walmart quite as much as some of the other chains I've been keeping up on in recent years, but I probably stumbled upon his spreadsheet at some point... Yeah, must have seen it at some point since it's linked in existing store pages that include my area Walmarts, I've added it to my main page link list. Yeah, I totally understand ya on that, probably would help that I am familiar with my area too. So far from what I have seen of Bluepages articles on Walmart in my area, I haven't noticed any holes yet, but I'll keep an eye out for holes where maybe he or others may have missed info.--TheOptopolis (talk) 00:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)